Fire and Ice, The Winter War of Finland and Russia (2006.HDTV.So

http://www.mastersworkmedia.com/fireandice/ "Fire and Ice tells the story of the Winter War, the Soviet Union's invasion of Finland in November, 1939. The Soviets were convinced they could win the war in a matter of days. No one expected that tiny Finland could resist the highly mechanized Red Army, the largest military force in the world. And no one anticipated that 1939 would be one of the coldest winters in recorded history. During 105 days of intensely bloody and brutal combat, Finland improvised a devastating and deadly defense, for an environment historians have called a frozen hell. The Winter War changed the course of what would soon become World War II." This version has English subtitles where needed. Same document with Finnish subs here; http://thepiratebay.se/tor/3571394/Fire_and_Ice__The_Winter_War_of_Finland_and_Russia_(finsub)

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Deviantos (2007-09-06)

Seeding with 10mb/10mb connection, but seem to have poor connection to some people. Trying to fix this.

Ashmadeus (2007-09-06)

Cheers Deviantos, I will keep seeding this for a while when finished.

Deviantos (2007-09-06)

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Deviantos (2007-09-06)

Thanks, thats always good to hear, Ashmadeus. ^^

lee-san (2007-09-18)

me still seeding...
my grandfather was on the frontline on karelia canvas. in the bloodbath. came back in one piece but lost a lot of friends. some friends were russian too. it was a sick war.
this one you should not miss for a reality check.
most people has no idea what was going on between one soviet superpower and some small amount of finns.
check this out.

lee-san (2007-09-18)

ok i seed abuut 40kbps but.. hell

lee-san (2007-09-18)

and another one....
Does anyone know the older documentary of the Winter War aka Talvisota?
It was BBC or some other british major TV doc. 3-4 years old doc. Mostly black & white.
If anyone has a copy please up I will seed.
Has more live footage than this american re-demonstration...

Deviantos (2007-10-02)

Yes it was, very bloody war and amazingly, Finland survived with 1/10 of casualties compared to Soviet Union.

Butt (2007-11-17)

The Soviets lost between 800,000-1,000,000 men,
that equals 1/27 - 1/33 .. not 1/10 as you say ;)

Deviantos (2007-11-20)

Heh, yeah, but I meant at least 1/10, as the number is not certain. Just like with the Stalins political cleans, it is estimated that there could be even 50 million victims instead of 15 - 25 million.

ddiha (2008-02-05)

Thx mate, been looking for this one for awhile

jafu (2008-05-06)

Anyone still seeding?

romanov1918 (2008-07-13)

thank you, I can't wait to watch this

Gnulle (2009-02-06)

For dere Nordmenn som forherliger deres patetiske krigsinnsats og tilber speiderguttene Max Manus og "Kjakan" Sønsteby se på dette. Slik som dette forsvarer ett folk og dens regjering sitt land.

Gnulle (2009-02-06)

Can anyone suggest other documentaries or movies on the Finnish Winter War? I have watched Talvisota and Ihantala-Tali. Good movies, Ihantala-Tali doesn´t really get under the skin of the soldier. How about books?

Ichneumon (2009-06-18)

If you're interested in a book, William R. Trotter's "Frozen Hell" is excellent.
As for Soviet casualty figures, "we lost a million men" was hyperbole by Khrutschev. The estimates for dead Soviets go from 85,000 to 270,000, and of course loads of starved, maimed and frozen men.

R2d6.51 (2011-05-24)

Leesan this is reference to your inquiry about older version. It's not a doc but a film. Here is the poop on it from IMDB: Cheers r2d6
Plot Summary for
The Winter War (1989) More at IMDbPro »
Talvisota (original title)
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Russia attacked Finland in late November 1939. This film tells the story of a Finnish platoon of reservists from the municipality of Kauhava in the province of Pohjanmaa/Ostrobothnia who leave their homes and go to war. The film focuses on the farmer brothers Martti and Paavo Hakala

partisan87 (2011-08-21)

Thanks heaps for this one.

Makb1 (2013-02-13)

Thanks, much appreciated. I assume subs are hardcoded?

labyrinth00 (2013-12-06)

Thanks for the upload....