Theo Van Gogh's Submission Eng [sub ITA & NL]

Gijs van Vesterlaken è il produttore di Submission, il film del regista olandese Theo Van Gogh giustiziato l'anno scorso da un fondamentalista islamico proprio a causa della sua pellicola. Ha deciso di ritirare l'opera a tempo indeterminato per la serie incredibile di minacce di morte che gli sono giunte e che sono ritenute credibili dai servizi di sicurezza. Il cortometraggio, di 11 minuti, solo in piccola parte trasmesso alla tv olandese prima del brutale assassinio del suo autore, è diventato quindi "pericoloso" per chiunque vi si avvicini. Il tema scottante affrontato da Van Gogh, quello della mancanza di libertà, della «sottomissione» della donna nella famiglia islamica, ha provocato l'istinto omicida del fondamentalista di origine marocchina che gli ha dato la morte in modo rituale: buttato giù dalla bicicletta, sparato in faccia, la gola squartata ritualmente, e una lettera infilzata nella pancia che annunciava la fatwa contro la sua sceneggiatrice, la somala infibulata e oggi parlamentare Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Da allora nessuno ha più visto l'opera, né sui canali TV che l'avevano annunciata, né tanto meno al Festival di Rotterdam, da sempre attento ai problemi della libertà. Per non parlare del "correttissimo" Festival di Cannes. Nei giorni scorsi era arrivata la notizia di una eventuale proiezione al Festival di Locarno nel prossimo agosto, ma il direttore della rassegna Irene Bignardi ha spiegato al Corriere della Sera che mai è stata fatta richiesta della pellicola proprio per la dichiarata e concreta impossibilità di proiezione per motivi di ordine pubblico. Il ritiro della pellicola, ma forse ancor più l'indifferenza mostrata proprio da quel mondo del cinema e della cultura sempre attento alla libertà d'espressione, hanno scatenato il dibattito. In rete il film si trova, è scaricabile, e molti blog sono intervenuti per denunciare la vicenda come un caso di autocensura inaccettabile, invitando a non cedere al ricatto islamista e a diffondere via web il film: «Come possiamo dargliela vinta. Allora ritiriamo tutte le opere di Salman Rushdie, ritiriamo tutte le Bibbie, ritiriamo Emma Bonino che difende le donne musulmane oppresse», scrive l'indignatissimo Rabbì. Emma Bonino, intervistata a Radio Radicale, non si appassiona alla polemica che ha coinvolto alcuni festival cinematografici internazionali. C'è la distribuzione in cassetta, c'è la tv. D'altra parte il problema sicurezza c'è e va posto, e poi ci sono mille e diversi tipi di strumenti per parlare della condizione delle donne nel mondo arabo, non è detto che si debba fare una proiezione in piazza o arrivare alla «provocazione». Carlo Panella, giornalista esperto di Islam sentito da Radio Radicale, pur giudicando «inammissibile» che la decisione di non proiettare il film sia dovuta alle minacce dei «fascisti islamici», definisce però il documentario «impresentabile, un errore, offensivo per gli islamici moderati, da scontro di civiltà di basso livello». Questo «bisogna avere il coraggio di dirlo pubblicamente», dice il giornalista, senza che ciò significhi neanche lontanamente giustificare l'uccisione del regista e le minacce alla sceneggiatrice somala del film. La scena incriminata ritrae i versetti del Corano proiettati sulla schiena nuda di una donna percossa. Ma «accusare Maometto e il Corano di essere all'origine della condizione di schiavitù della donna» nel mondo musulmano è un «errore storico da censurare con la matita blu». La prescrizione coranica sulle donne, che risale al 620, è «rivoluzionaria», riconoscendo condizioni che in occidente si affermano nel XVII secolo. «Ho il film... lo porterò in giro, insieme con i libri di Pim Fortuyn, per farli vedere», ha dichiarato invece Edouard Ballaman, deputato della Lega Nord, che proietterà il film in sala stampa alla Camera. Anche Giuseppe Giulietti (Ds), per Articolo 21, si è espresso per la proiezione del film.

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katamail (2006-02-07)

Dear muslims,
If you do not like our countries, please leave.
If you do not like the way our women dress, please leave.
If you do not like our separation of politics and religion, please leave.
If you support violent responses to criticism of Islam, please leave.
If you support terrorism in any way, shape or form, please leave.
If you cannot accept satirical cartoons in our newspapers, please leave.
If you do not support democracy or the freedom of speech, please leave our countries.

bluelion (2006-02-07)

Dear Non-muslims,
If you do not like our countries, please leave.
If you do not like the way our women dress, please leave.
If you do not like our fusion of politics and religion, please leave.
If you do not support our responses to making fun of Islam, please leave.
If you support occupation in any way, shape or form, please leave.
If you cannot accept satirical cartoons in our newspapers, please leave.
If you do not support our democracy or our freedom of speech, and freedom to choose which products to buy or not to buy .... please leave our countries.
(p.s. in many arab and muslim countries westerners earn as much as 8 times the wage of locals for the same job and same skill/education)

Pope John Paul 2 (2006-02-07)

Same skills/education... Muslims?! Now that is a good joke. Harvard, Oxbridge, Yale, and Tehran Uni.....?

Pope John Paul 2 (2006-02-07)

Amen to KataMaiL
And stop using the things that our god gave us the wisdom to invent: planes, cars, electronics, medicines, music, telephones, TV?s, light, the wheel, toilets, the Internet, electricity, watches, monetary system, clothes, shoes, cameras, trains, boats, telescopes, physics, computers, GPS, Xrays, plastics, fridges etc. etc. etc.

Pope John Paul 2 (2006-02-07)

For every time you Muslims touch a product/service/invention etc that is made/designed/pioneered by our god you insult your own by showing that he has been able to endow you with little other poverty, famine, disease and hatred. Look around you, touch only that which is yours and stop forever taking from us while at the same time waging a campaign to cast all back into the stone-ages. That you live, walk, get benefit/health payments from, and enjoy all that our God?s country has to offer is a direct insult to the paucity of your own leader?s virility and strength. No Muslim can go to their heaven after living a life shrouded by a different religion?s greatness.

Pope John Paul 2 (2006-02-07)

Think about it, take stock of you global achievements, think how many people want to move to your countries (where you rule) and how many want to live in ours?. And be grateful. Or leave?. Think about it, take stock of your global achievements, think how many people want to move to your countries - where your god rules - and how many want to live in ours... And be GRATEFUL. Or leave.
Look at the objects around you at this very moment - the pc in front of you, the cars in the street, the Boeing up above, the wrist watch on your arm...and so on. List how many say MADE IN MUSLIM LAND and how many MADE IN WESTERNLAND. Use any of the latter, and by definition you pray to our God and insult yours... Think honestly about why our God told us, and gave us the power and ability to invade Muslim Iraq -incurring fewer casualties than the number who die on the road in one month... Get with the winning team, or stop using our game ball and stuff.

may71 (2006-02-09)

What happen if islamic countries stop selling their oil to non- islamic countries ?

katamail (2006-02-12)

NEW RULEZ!!!:
1) Deportation of ALL middle east people ( let them suffer in their own country rather than us in ours)
2) Any monies owed to them put into a holding account to pay for the war vets of the gulf war and to the ones who gave us our real freedom ( ww2 ) vets
3) No return policies
4) Any money proved to have been earnt in our countries taken away and used to aid our homeless or ill
5) any funds to their countries/families STOPPED

katamail (2006-02-12)

They come to our country as refugees saying that their lives are in danger so OUR own SO CALLED GOVERNMENT give them a nice welcome pack of
1) A House
2) State Welfare
3) Job
4) Whatever They Want (otherwise it is RACIAL DISCRIMINATION)
We have our own worries and people to look after never mind taking on the worlds problems, they breed like bloody rabbits have more than their fair share of property and cars, they have taken over most of our major cities and call themselves the ETHNIC MINORITY i think we all know who is the real minority in this country dont we.

ophis (2006-02-17)

De Ware Profeet helpt je te putten uit dezelfde bronnen als hij doet.
De Valse Profeet dicteert een dogma.
The True Prophet helps you to draw from the same well as he does.
The False Prophet dictates a dogma.
Tell the world, before she blows herself up .... PEACE
We will never bend to fascism!!!!!!!

babba00 (2006-02-22)

Who is the true danger ???

babba00 (2006-02-22)

Beside, you´re off-topic.

Le Capitaine (2006-04-18)

to Bluelion:
"If you cannot accept satirical cartoons in our newspapers, please leave."
Haha... like muslim coutries have ever had any free speech, or free newspapers ect. What a joke.
You have police controlling, wheather or not you, and your girlfriend are kissing in public ect.
Can't you see you live in a dictatorship?

raleighton (2006-05-14)

OMG, forcefull repatriation, ethnic skapegoating, I must be in heaven!!
Remember people the world of Mein Kampf lives on in your hearts!!
Remember time for election is near make your voices heard:
www.americannaziparty.com/
www.bnp.org.uk/

Remember a vote for white is a vote done right!
YOU SICK BASTARDS!!

igl (2006-05-17)

All this crap from all the people who neither read the bible or the koran. But they all, just have to BLAH BLAH BLAH their moronic black and white opinion out into the poor world.
When you have actually no clue what you are talking about, shut the hell up!
Respect each other kids.

drnhpqw (2006-05-26)

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Pirate 32 (2006-07-04)

apparently, igl, these people have read FAR MORE about (atleast) islam than you. So hav i, and i have extensive knowledge of the bible as well(including the unfavorable parts).

Pirate 32 (2006-07-04)

In my educated opinion i would say that whenever the jews attacked someone in the old testamen it was justified. IE: an enemy nation relentlesly stealing/raping jewish women or over sacrificing childred to molech.
In islam a jewish journalist warning people of the insanity, murders, and piracy comitted by old mo, and gabriel telling mo that the jews were going to drop a rock on his head, was justification for slaughtering 900 innocent jewish men and boys and raping/selling their women into slavery.
There is a BIG, YAWNING GAP between judaism/christianity and islam.

Pirate 32 (2006-07-04)

(keep in mind that noone ever saw/heard gabriel/alla except muhammad)

dr. teddy (2006-07-04)

all religion is evil. just be nice to eachother and everyone will be happy. quit that "my religion i s better than yours" bullshit. you sound like spoiled brats. nice torrent jacktr! i am looking forward to see this.

navybluevid (2007-08-04)

Look at the objects around you at this very moment - the pc in front of you, the cars in the street, the Boeing up above, the wrist watch on your arm...and so on. List how many say MADE IN MUSLIM LAND and how many MADE IN WESTERNLAND.
... actually, Pope boy, it generally says MADE IN CHINA
So why don't you go to a bar, drink a beer, pick up a girl, get laid and get over yourself... you sound just as sexually frustrated as those bearded bombstrapped idiots.. and frankly, you're embarrasing us all...

navybluevid (2007-08-04)

eh, and dred05, maybe you should take note of my advice as well...

jimmakk (2008-03-28)

a muslim is a terrorist.
a good muslim is a dead terrorist.
ps, god is an invention of man to justify
war.

doc_pennings (2008-08-19)

i think your right about if you don't like it here please piss off. but to give you an idea why this is all happening like this with emigrations and a new world order , please download : Chemtrail film: Don't Talk About the Weather (2008}
look understand how and why the politic is screwing us over. and try to do some abt it .
order by chaos !

Grassic (2011-12-06)

@POPE JOHN PAUL 2 - 'your god' did not create those inventions! Smarter men than you put in far more time and effort into their inventions than you have about anything. Well maybe apart from the effort you put into your own self fulfilling prophecy. This isn't a pissing contest between the west and the east because it's safe to say we're as bad at each other. The problem is everyone of you cunts think that you are right and there is no room for negotiation.
@may71 - If islamic countries stopped selling their oil to the west then the U.S, mostly, would create instability in the people and mass large number of rebels from these countries and have them kill their own leaders, finally replacing them with puppet presidents of America's choosing, which ofcouse would be thinly veiled behind the illusion of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. Thus solving the problem of oil changing hands without an invasion which would be highly criticised world-wide.
(note the nods towards the occupation of Iraq and the rebelion in Libia which claimed Gaddafi's life).
I know you people commented years ago and you will probably never read this, but I'm writing this out of complete contempt for the lot of you. How can everyone on both sides be so fucking single-minded? what the fuck is wrong with everyone that they can't comprehend things beyond their backyard?

riojg (2014-04-29)

Does anyone have anything to say about the actual download?

xkv (2014-08-31)

This film is an absolute classic. AHA is a feminist icon and a courageous campaigner for liberty and freedom . That Theo van Gogh was assassinated for making this video only proves her point that Islam is an inherently violent religion.