Marvel Chronology 1976 Mar

Marvel Chronology 1976 Mar

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udp://open.demonii.com:1337
udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:6969
udp://exodus.desync.com:6969

JeimySolis (2008-06-20)

Wow sounds like a real class A douche bag

comicfan (2008-06-20)

Rishab: do you or the original uploader
claim to own the copyright of
the comic scans titles contained in the torrent file?
Even though we deeply respect and acknowledge your "intellectual"
property, we fail to see how an interpretation of the said directives
makes them applicable in this case.
NONE of the copyrighted data in question is published or ever stored on
our servers. Nor is any of the copyrighted data relayed through our
servers. The tracker merely provides .torrent files.
As to this day this activity is not prohibited by Swedish law and it's
our assessment that not even a wide interpretation of the E-commerce
directives makes them applicable to torrent trackers. Out activities
will therefore continue until this fact changes or Hell freezes over.

comicfan (2008-06-20)

Rishab:
We understand that you are familiar with Bit Torrent technology. Then you
may, or may not, understand that none of the data that you or the original uploader who spent years to organize and hold the copyright to reside on thepiratebay.se's servers.
This raises the question of the reach of Swedish and European copyright
law. It is the opinion of us, and the Swedish Supreme Court, that
information about WHERE to obtain copyrighted material, which is the
case with Bit Torrent, is not illegal. The '.torrent' files that are
offered for download at the site in question contain nothing more than
hash and checksum information. Moreover the same torrent files were posted by the original uploader on other sites and were available by the public before they were erased.
How this information could, in itself,
possibly be an infrigement of your copyright is beyond us and apparently
the Swedish legal system agrees.

crashedout (2008-06-20)

Sigh...
comicfan... forget the legal stuff. no-one cares.
Just be aware that you posting the torrents here means the series won't be completed for anyone - as it's pretty damn obvious you don't have the uploads and the guy who put all the hard yards in originally refuses to upload any further torrents due to your actions.

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

If this Chuck guy has chosen not to finish posting his chronology because he's not happy that parts of it are being posted here, then blame him for it. I downloaded most of his torrents when they were initially posted on Demonoid, and I have every single torrent that he later posted on h33t. If I had the time, I'd post them all here. Or better yet, upload them to rapidshare. When Sony, Microsoft, Marvel, etc., etc., exert rights to their creations, everyone laughs; but now 'Chuck' is supposed to get special treatment? Now I know how cults form. Scary.

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

You're complaining about someone not having 'permission' to post someone else's property? That's pretty funny. The original uploader has no more claim to the material than the person who kindly uploaded them here for a wider audience. The whole point of free exchange of information is to, well, freely exchange information! Maybe the original uploader should not try to control these torrents and should instead realize that he has no more rights than anyone else, except for the nice folks at Marvel, of course. Or he could just take his ball (and his torrents) and go home. There's always someone else to pick up the slack.

comicfan (2008-06-21)

Thanks Marvelatty. By the way all the torrents
posted here were first erased from the original site,
so nobody can claim rights about them, I found
then on my thrash.
Moreover, what would all the people posting comics
torrents do if Marvel Comics threaten them
to not publish more comics in the future unless ALL Marvel comics torrents were erased from the torrent sites? A big LOL !

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

It feels so good when people confirm your opinion of them. Here's what good ol' Chuck recently posted on the h33t forum regarding the bad people who have uploaded his comic book torrents to Pirate Bay:
"The nice thing about being rich is I have the means to find out things about others and that is something I have no problem spending money on. ... Who knows, the torrents on Pirate Bay may just mysteriously vanish one day and everything will be back to normal."
Let's see. Chuck is going to use his vast fortune to discover the identities of the people who defy him. And then he's going to make the Marvel chronology torrents on Pirate Bay 'mysteriously vanish'.
Microsoft can't do it. Sony can't do it. Warner Bros. can't do it. But Chuck can do it, he can actually do it - he can remove torrents from Pirate Bay.
We're really chucked now...

crashedout (2008-06-21)

that's a stunning bit of selective quoting.
have yourself a biscuit

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

Feel free to quote the full post, if you like. And you better make sure you own that biscuit (or have permission from its owner) before offering it to me.

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

Such narrow minds ... the point isn't that the chronology torrents have 0 seeds. Let them have 0 seeds forever and ever. The point is that anything can be posted anywhere. File sharing is the antitode to corporations telling me (and you) that nothing can be posted, nothing shared, and nothing even copied for one's own personal benefit. Now here comes a file sharer named Chuck with the same line. And it's not even his stuff! If folks start claiming ownership of their torrents, then we're back to square one, aren't we? I can respect Chuck's work but not respect his selfishness and his disingenuousness. He appears to have gathered a small clot of groupies who will sing his praises and defend him blindly. That, in fact, is what he wanted in the first place. Good for him. He controls you, for sure, but he still doesn't control his torrents...

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

I didn't post on Demonoid or any other site because these torrents weren't posted there. I come to Pirate Bay to grab whatever I can't find elsewhere. It's my site of last resort, actually, because the community here isn't that helpful. I visit Demonoid more frequently (and like it much better). But I'm not a Demonoid loyalist, either. When it went down last year, I found other sites. If you want to call me a loyalist, then I'm a file sharing loyalist. I'm certainly not a member of any 'core groups'. I don't play well with (most) others.
You wrote: "...so you decided that If you cant have it no one can."
Now that's just silly. I already have it! I care what I have, not what Pirate Bay or h33t have.
Or were you referring to Chuck? He made it quite clear that if h33t can't have his torrents, exclusively, then no one can. It sounds like he's part of a core group of h33t loyalists!
Please. Show Chuck some respect. Why do you say such unflattering things about him?

marvelatty (2008-06-21)

The chronology is Chuck's project, not mine. I have no interest in posting comic book torrents, especially when 'comicfan' is doing such a nice job. And I don't have all the issues - only the ones that Chuck posted before he decided that if h33t can't have them, no one can. When Chuck posts more torrents, I'm sure comicfan (or whomever) will put them here, there, and everywhere. That's file-sharing for you.
And don't worry about the chronology ending. Even if Chuck shows his true colors and doesn't post more torrents, he will give his comics to the people on his 'list'. Chuck's attitude has annoyed more people than he thinks (or will ever admit to himself). When dealing with such a person, however, you have to smile and take what he offers, until he has no more. Chuck absolutely knows that his 'importance' depends on him having more comics in his stash. That's why he periodically threatens to withhold them (as he's doing now). It's a shame that a guy with so much to offer needs so much in return.

marvelatty (2008-06-22)

PaulWantsToPlay wrote:
"You're telling you don't have all the comics to finish the chronology, but you stand up to defend the guy (comicfan) who has made sure Chuck won't finish it."
No, no, no. It was Chuck who decided not to finish it. He decided not to finish it because he cares more about doing it his way than he does about sharing his comics with the many, many people who he says won't be able to read them otherwise. And so his bruised ego trumps his dubious philanthropy.
(Right, Chuck? I know you're reading.)
Let's not make 'comicfan' the scapegoat. If you care only about giving others (and not just the elite few on your 'list') the precious gift of your entire chronology, then the only thing stopping you is the insurmountable object known as ... you. It's not too late. You have the opportunity to do something truly selfless, something to cast in stone the memory of your priceless contribution. Don't take your ball and race home. Throw it back on the court. This is your moment...
I haven't given up on you yet.

marvelatty (2008-06-22)

PaulWantsToPlay wrote:
"(1) Why not tell where this torrent came originally from? (2) Why not tell you're posting it here despite the wishes of the original uploader not to? (3) Why not tell everyone you can't post the whole chronology, because you don't have the whole chronology."
1) The 'Marvel Chronology' was created by some guy named Chuck and initially posted on Demonoid, then on h33t. I truly stand in awe of the work Chuck put into this project. It's an amazing contribution. But the moment Chuck uploads his stuff as a torrent, it's no longer his. The same rule applies to everyone. You can't share other people's work and then expect other people not to share it as well.
2) I'm not posting it here; 'comicfan' is. But I don't care about the 'wishes of the original uploader' just like he didn't care about the wishes of the original writers, artists, letterers, etc. It's okay not to care. Just don't pretend that it's okay to care some of the time but not all of the time.
3) Of course I don't have the whole chronology. Only Chuck does. Like you, probably, I have everything that Chuck has posted so far. I also have all of the individual comics necessary to create the rest of the chronology, but I'm not even remotely interested in duplicating work that Chuck has already done (but now won't share because the reality of file-sharing hit him full in the face). If the rest of the chronology appears somewhere, anywhere, I'll download it. If it doesn't, I'll try so very hard to survive.
That answer your questions?

marvelatty (2008-06-22)

Sith73 wrote (on the h33t forum):
"Just because their dad pay for their Internet connection, they think they are the king of the world."
Young man, if you continue to post such blather, I shall no longer pay for your Internet connection.
(Chuck, watch out for this one...)